From bails at westcomuk.com Tue Feb 10 08:43:22 2009 From: bails at westcomuk.com (bails) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:43:22 +0000 Subject: BW )(: DNS Message-ID: <49913E2A.7010503@westcomuk.com> Excuse me but WTF is wrong with DNS in the lab? Everywhere I've ever worked from I've been able to eg /etc/hosts 82.82.82.86 somedomain.tld and in a browser go to somedomain.tld and it JFW's This does not happen in the lab (god knows about the rest of the network). I can ping somedomain.tld and it returns the correct IP address but in a browser no (even after dropping the cache several times. This is my laptop BTW not labserv. Oh and also why are we still using 12.34.56.78 as primary DNS? Any answers gratefully accepted. Bails -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From ben at bristolwireless.net Tue Feb 10 08:58:37 2009 From: ben at bristolwireless.net (ben at bristolwireless.net) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:58:37 +0000 Subject: BW )(: DNS In-Reply-To: <49913E2A.7010503@westcomuk.com> References: <49913E2A.7010503@westcomuk.com> Message-ID: <20090210085837.g868esynms00wso8@slackmail.co.uk> Quoting bails : > Excuse me but WTF is wrong with DNS in the lab? > > Everywhere I've ever worked from I've been able to > > eg /etc/hosts > > 82.82.82.86 somedomain.tld > > and in a browser go to somedomain.tld and it JFW's > > This does not happen in the lab (god knows about the rest of the network). > > I can ping somedomain.tld and it returns the correct IP address but in a > browser no (even after dropping the cache several times. This is my > laptop BTW not labserv. > > Oh and also why are we still using 12.34.56.78 as primary DNS? > > Any answers gratefully accepted. > > Bails The connection goes through a proxy. The proxy ignores the IP you sent and looks up it's own. I'm talking about the "transparent" proxy set up by Lloyd here. Cheers, == From Ben Green From bails at westcomuk.com Tue Feb 10 09:03:46 2009 From: bails at westcomuk.com (bails) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:03:46 +0000 Subject: BW )(: DNS In-Reply-To: <20090210085837.g868esynms00wso8@slackmail.co.uk> References: <49913E2A.7010503@westcomuk.com> <20090210085837.g868esynms00wso8@slackmail.co.uk> Message-ID: <499142F2.4080901@westcomuk.com> ben at bristolwireless.net wrote: > Quoting bails : > >> Excuse me but WTF is wrong with DNS in the lab? >> >> Everywhere I've ever worked from I've been able to >> >> eg /etc/hosts >> >> 82.82.82.86 somedomain.tld >> >> and in a browser go to somedomain.tld and it JFW's >> >> This does not happen in the lab (god knows about the rest of the network). >> >> I can ping somedomain.tld and it returns the correct IP address but in a >> browser no (even after dropping the cache several times. This is my >> laptop BTW not labserv. >> >> Oh and also why are we still using 12.34.56.78 as primary DNS? >> >> Any answers gratefully accepted. >> >> Bails > > The connection goes through a proxy. The proxy ignores the IP you sent > and looks up it's own. > > I'm talking about the "transparent" proxy set up by Lloyd here. Thanks Ben Is there any way we can 'remove'/'bypass' it so that one can do webdev or is it planted like concrete? Bails > > Cheers, > == > From Ben Green > > _______________________________________________ > Bristolwireless mailing list > Bristolwireless at lists.psand.net > http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From something at amias.org.uk Tue Feb 10 11:09:17 2009 From: something at amias.org.uk (Amias Channer) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:09:17 +0000 Subject: BW )(: DNS In-Reply-To: <499142F2.4080901@westcomuk.com> References: <49913E2A.7010503@westcomuk.com> <20090210085837.g868esynms00wso8@slackmail.co.uk> <499142F2.4080901@westcomuk.com> Message-ID: <1234264157.7481.3.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 09:03 +0000, bails wrote: > ben at bristolwireless.net wrote: > > Quoting bails : > > > >> Excuse me but WTF is wrong with DNS in the lab? > >> > >> Everywhere I've ever worked from I've been able to > >> > >> eg /etc/hosts > >> > >> 82.82.82.86 somedomain.tld > >> > >> and in a browser go to somedomain.tld and it JFW's > >> > >> This does not happen in the lab (god knows about the rest of the network). > >> > >> I can ping somedomain.tld and it returns the correct IP address but in a > >> browser no (even after dropping the cache several times. This is my > >> laptop BTW not labserv. > >> > >> Oh and also why are we still using 12.34.56.78 as primary DNS? > >> > >> Any answers gratefully accepted. > >> > >> Bails > > > > The connection goes through a proxy. The proxy ignores the IP you sent > > and looks up it's own. > > > > I'm talking about the "transparent" proxy set up by Lloyd here. > > Thanks Ben > > Is there any way we can 'remove'/'bypass' it so that one can do webdev > or is it planted like concrete? i would have thought an ssh tunnel would do it. i.e ssh -D $spare_port user at some.host.com then set the browser to use a socks5 proxy on localhost:$spare_port Toodle-pip Amias From woodsy at bristolwireless.net Tue Feb 10 13:21:23 2009 From: woodsy at bristolwireless.net (Steve Woods) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:21:23 +0000 Subject: BW )(: Petition - open source in schools Message-ID: <20090210132123.w4hjxw8t2cggco8o@slackmail.co.uk> "We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source" http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschools/ Cheers Woodsy From skoria at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 14:26:31 2009 From: skoria at gmail.com (Ale Fernandez) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:26:31 +0000 Subject: BW )(: Petition - open source in schools In-Reply-To: <20090210132123.w4hjxw8t2cggco8o@slackmail.co.uk> References: <20090210132123.w4hjxw8t2cggco8o@slackmail.co.uk> Message-ID: <49918E97.6040508@gmail.com> Hi Woodsy, I think it's not worth it as it currently reads... It'll only attract the purist linux-everywhere-hey-actually-it's-gnu crowd, rather than for example general public teachers, parents or students. For example, the first 3 reasons the petition gives are malware, compatibility and language choice - I think they are plucked from a hat and it's very easy for a microsoftie to argue reasons against them, and there are far better reasons to use open source than that(eg: price, openness, works on older hardware etc). Re the BECTA mention, I think there's even an EU recommendation or fancy doc somewhere (no time to look it up) that pushes people to use open source in education. So my guess is it'll get a few thousand votes, but not nearly as many as it needs, but a slightly better-written petition could get masses of people signing, and by saying that, I'm not volunteering to write it.. :) Hope you're well! Ale Steve Woods wrote: > "We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Make the primary > operating system used in state schools free and open source" > > http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschools/ > > Cheers > Woodsy > > _______________________________________________ > Bristolwireless mailing list > Bristolwireless at lists.psand.net > http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless > From sooty126 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 10 17:39:19 2009 From: sooty126 at hotmail.com (Ronald Corbett) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:39:19 +0000 Subject: BW )(: Petition - open source in schools In-Reply-To: <49918E97.6040508@gmail.com> References: <20090210132123.w4hjxw8t2cggco8o@slackmail.co.uk> <49918E97.6040508@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Rich and everyone I have signed the petition Because I believe that children and elderly peeps are short changed on information there is always some pilock saying they know what children and old people need or want but they never bloody ask them if its open source and free its easy to get and there is always someone on linux who will help them get around the software try finding help for beginners on microsoft there is no tact for a start and I do not think that people should pay thieves to view an encyclopaedia of life with information freely given. we need more bristol wirelesses all over the UK europe Asia Russia Ameriicc Austrailia the World and Twinell back on line!!! sooty126> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:26:31 +0000> From: skoria at gmail.com> To: bristolwireless at lists.psand.net> Subject: Re: BW )(: Petition - open source in schools> > Hi Woodsy,> > I think it's not worth it as it currently reads... It'll only attract > the purist linux-everywhere-hey-actually-it's-gnu crowd, rather than for > example general public teachers, parents or students.> > For example, the first 3 reasons the petition gives are malware, > compatibility and language choice - I think they are plucked from a hat > and it's very easy for a microsoftie to argue reasons against them, and > there are far better reasons to use open source than that(eg: price, > openness, works on older hardware etc).> > Re the BECTA mention, I think there's even an EU recommendation or fancy > doc somewhere (no time to look it up) that pushes people to use open > source in education. So my guess is it'll get a few thousand votes, but > not nearly as many as it needs, but a slightly better-written petition > could get masses of people signing, and by saying that, I'm not > volunteering to write it.. :)> > Hope you're well!> > Ale> > Steve Woods wrote:> > "We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Make the primary> > operating system used in state schools free and open source"> > > > http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschools/> > > > Cheers> > Woodsy> > > > _______________________________________________> > Bristolwireless mailing list> > Bristolwireless at lists.psand.net> > http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless> > > > _______________________________________________> Bristolwireless mailing list> Bristolwireless at lists.psand.net> http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new and improved services from Windows Live. Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/132630768/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.psand.net/pipermail/bristolwireless/attachments/20090210/8758d512/attachment.htm From paulrbarnard at hotmail.com Tue Feb 10 18:31:34 2009 From: paulrbarnard at hotmail.com (Paul Barnard) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:31:34 -0800 Subject: BW )(: Petition - open source in schools In-Reply-To: References: <20090210132123.w4hjxw8t2cggco8o@slackmail.co.uk> <49918E97.6040508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <95E40131-A32C-48AE-A449-47C7B15C6C7B@hotmail.com> Everyone is free to sign or not as they see fit. This is not really a good place for debating the pros and cons of this issue as this is an open wireless list, not a linux list... FWIW I won't be signing for similar reason to those given by Ale. The petition reeks of religious war rather than the 'best interests' or end users. On Feb 10, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Ronald Corbett wrote: > Hi Rich and everyone > I have signed the petition Because I believe that children and > elderly peeps are short changed on information there is always some > pilock saying they know what children and old people need or want > but they never bloody ask them if its open source and free its easy > to get and there is always someone on linux who will help them get > around the software try finding help for beginners on microsoft > there is no tact for a start and I do not think that people should > pay thieves to view an encyclopaedia of life with information freely > given. > we need more bristol wirelesses all over the UK europe Asia Russia > Ameriicc Austrailia the World and Twinell back on line!!! > sooty126 > > > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:26:31 +0000 > > From: skoria at gmail.com > > To: bristolwireless at lists.psand.net > > Subject: Re: BW )(: Petition - open source in schools > > > > Hi Woodsy, > > > > I think it's not worth it as it currently reads... It'll only > attract > > the purist linux-everywhere-hey-actually-it's-gnu crowd, rather > than for > > example general public teachers, parents or students. > > > > For example, the first 3 reasons the petition gives are malware, > > compatibility and language choice - I think they are plucked from > a hat > > and it's very easy for a microsoftie to argue reasons against > them, and > > there are far better reasons to use open source than that(eg: price, > > openness, works on older hardware etc). > > > > Re the BECTA mention, I think there's even an EU recommendation or > fancy > > doc somewhere (no time to look it up) that pushes people to use open > > source in education. So my guess is it'll get a few thousand > votes, but > > not nearly as many as it needs, but a slightly better-written > petition > > could get masses of people signing, and by saying that, I'm not > > volunteering to write it.. :) > > > > Hope you're well! > > > > Ale > > > > Steve Woods wrote: > > > "We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Make the > primary > > > operating system used in state schools free and open source" > > > > > > http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschools/ > > > > > > Cheers > > > Woodsy > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Bristolwireless mailing list > > > Bristolwireless at lists.psand.net > > > http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bristolwireless mailing list > > Bristolwireless at lists.psand.net > > http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless > > > Beyond Hotmail - see what else you can do with Windows Live Find out > more!_______________________________________________ > Bristolwireless mailing list > Bristolwireless at lists.psand.net > http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.psand.net/pipermail/bristolwireless/attachments/20090210/e7e29ac9/attachment.htm From sooty126 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 10 18:42:04 2009 From: sooty126 at hotmail.com (Ronald Corbett) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:42:04 +0000 Subject: BW )(: Petition - open source in schools In-Reply-To: <95E40131-A32C-48AE-A449-47C7B15C6C7B@hotmail.com> References: <20090210132123.w4hjxw8t2cggco8o@slackmail.co.uk> <49918E97.6040508@gmail.com> <95E40131-A32C-48AE-A449-47C7B15C6C7B@hotmail.com> Message-ID: It may not be the best place for a debate but I was unaware of your existens until now as I thought Iwas talking to my good friend Richard Higgs I have re read the petition to see if I had made a mistake but I see nothing that relates to religious war. but it has brought you and I closer to gether so do you think that has homosexual conotations. Sooty126 From: paulrbarnard at hotmail.comTo: bristolwireless at lists.psand.netDate: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:31:34 -0800Subject: Re: BW )(: Petition - open source in schoolsEveryone is free to sign or not as they see fit. This is not really a good place for debating the pros and cons of this issue as this is an open wireless list, not a linux list... FWIW I won't be signing for similar reason to those given by Ale. The petition reeks of religious war rather than the 'best interests' or end users. On Feb 10, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Ronald Corbett wrote: Hi Rich and everyoneI have signed the petition Because I believe that children and elderly peeps are short changed on information there is always some pilock saying they know what children and old people need or want but they never bloody ask them if its open source and free its easy to get and there is always someone on linux who will help them get around the software try finding help for beginners on microsoft there is no tact for a start and I do not think that people should pay thieves to view an encyclopaedia of life with information freely given.we need more bristol wirelesses all over the UK europe Asia Russia Ameriicc Austrailia the World and Twinell back on line!!!sooty126> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:26:31 +0000> From: skoria at gmail.com> To: bristolwireless at lists.psand.net> Subject: Re: BW )(: Petition - open source in schools> > Hi Woodsy,> > I think it's not worth it as it currently reads... It'll only attract > the purist linux-everywhere-hey-actually-it's-gnu crowd, rather than for > example general public teachers, parents or students.> > For example, the first 3 reasons the petition gives are malware, > compatibility and language choice - I think they are plucked from a hat > and it's very easy for a microsoftie to argue reasons against them, and > there are far better reasons to use open source than that(eg: price, > openness, works on older hardware etc).> > Re the BECTA mention, I think there's even an EU recommendation or fancy > doc somewhere (no time to look it up) that pushes people to use open > source in education. So my guess is it'll get a few thousand votes, but > not nearly as many as it needs, but a slightly better-written petition > could get masses of people signing, and by saying that, I'm not > volunteering to write it.. :)> > Hope you're well!> > Ale> > Steve Woods wrote:> > "We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Make the primary> > operating system used in state schools free and open source"> > > > http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschools/> > > > Cheers> > Woodsy> > > > _______________________________________________> > Bristolwireless mailing list> > Bristolwireless at lists.psand.net> > http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless> > > > _______________________________________________> Bristolwireless mailing list> Bristolwireless at lists.psand.net> http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless Beyond Hotmail - see what else you can do with Windows Live Find out more!_______________________________________________Bristolwireless mailing listBristolwireless at lists.psand.nethttp://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless _________________________________________________________________ Love Hotmail?? Check out the new services from Windows Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/132630768/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.psand.net/pipermail/bristolwireless/attachments/20090210/37a83ff4/attachment.htm From paulrbarnard at hotmail.com Tue Feb 10 19:14:01 2009 From: paulrbarnard at hotmail.com (Paul Barnard) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:14:01 -0800 Subject: BW )(: Petition - open source in schools In-Reply-To: References: <20090210132123.w4hjxw8t2cggco8o@slackmail.co.uk> <49918E97.6040508@gmail.com> <95E40131-A32C-48AE-A449-47C7B15C6C7B@hotmail.com> Message-ID: I have been a member of this list for many years. Always read, very rarely reply. It's always nice to meet new people and exchange reasoned views with them. Perhaps you have learned that there are lots of other people out there listening to your 'private' conversations. As to our getting closer having homosexual connotations, I have no idea, do you think I would fancy you? Maybe you should try a social website if you are looking for some personal companionship. On Feb 10, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Ronald Corbett wrote: > It may not be the best place for a debate but I was unaware of your > existens until now as I thought Iwas talking to my good friend > Richard Higgs I have re read the petition to see if I had made a > mistake but I see nothing that relates to religious war. but it has > brought you and I closer to gether so do you think that has > homosexual conotations. > Sooty126 > > > > > From: paulrbarnard at hotmail.com > To: bristolwireless at lists.psand.net > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:31:34 -0800 > Subject: Re: BW )(: Petition - open source in schools > > Everyone is free to sign or not as they see fit. This is not really > a good place for debating the pros and cons of this issue as this is > an open wireless list, not a linux list... > > FWIW I won't be signing for similar reason to those given by Ale. > The petition reeks of religious war rather than the 'best interests' > or end users. > > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Ronald Corbett wrote: > > Hi Rich and everyone > I have signed the petition Because I believe that children and > elderly peeps are short changed on information there is always some > pilock saying they know what children and old people need or want > but they never bloody ask them if its open source and free its easy > to get and there is always someone on linux who will help them get > around the software try finding help for beginners on microsoft > there is no tact for a start and I do not think that people should > pay thieves to view an encyclopaedia of life with information freely > given. > we need more bristol wirelesses all over the UK europe Asia Russia > Ameriicc Austrailia the World and Twinell back on line!!! > sooty126 > > > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:26:31 +0000 > > From: skoria at gmail.com > > To: bristolwireless at lists.psand.net > > Subject: Re: BW )(: Petition - open source in schools > > > > Hi Woodsy, > > > > I think it's not worth it as it currently reads... It'll only > attract > > the purist linux-everywhere-hey-actually-it's-gnu crowd, rather > than for > > example general public teachers, parents or students. > > > > For example, the first 3 reasons the petition gives are malware, > > compatibility and language choice - I think they are plucked from > a hat > > and it's very easy for a microsoftie to argue reasons against > them, and > > there are far better reasons to use open source than that(eg: price, > > openness, works on older hardware etc). > > > > Re the BECTA mention, I think there's even an EU recommendation or > fancy > > doc somewhere (no time to look it up) that pushes people to use open > > source in education. So my guess is it'll get a few thousand > votes, but > > not nearly as many as it needs, but a slightly better-written > petition > > could get masses of people signing, and by saying that, I'm not > > volunteering to write it.. :) > > > > Hope you're well! > > > > Ale > > > > Steve Woods wrote: > > > "We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Make the > primary > > > operating system used in state schools free and open source" > > > > > > http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschools/ > > > > > > Cheers > > > Woodsy > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Bristolwireless mailing list > > > Bristolwireless at lists.psand.net > > > http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bristolwireless mailing list > > Bristolwireless at lists.psand.net > > http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless > > > Beyond Hotmail - see what else you can do with Windows Live Find out > more!_______________________________________________ > Bristolwireless mailing list > Bristolwireless at lists.psand.net > http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! > _______________________________________________ > Bristolwireless mailing list > Bristolwireless at lists.psand.net > http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.psand.net/pipermail/bristolwireless/attachments/20090210/e532ab36/attachment.htm From sooty126 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 10 19:25:58 2009 From: sooty126 at hotmail.com (Ronald Corbett) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:25:58 +0000 Subject: BW )(: Petition - open source in schools In-Reply-To: References: <20090210132123.w4hjxw8t2cggco8o@slackmail.co.uk> <49918E97.6040508@gmail.com> <95E40131-A32C-48AE-A449-47C7B15C6C7B@hotmail.com>

Message-ID: Excelent Reply No I dont think you would facy me nor I you I just could not see the connection to religious wars. but thank you for your input!! I dont think my wife would appreciate me researching social websites trawling for company. Not after 29 years From: paulrbarnard at hotmail.comTo: bristolwireless at lists.psand.netDate: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:14:01 -0800Subject: Re: BW )(: Petition - open source in schoolsI have been a member of this list for many years. Always read, very rarely reply. It's always nice to meet new people and exchange reasoned views with them. Perhaps you have learned that there are lots of other people out there listening to your 'private' conversations. As to our getting closer having homosexual connotations, I have no idea, do you think I would fancy you? Maybe you should try a social website if you are looking for some personal companionship. On Feb 10, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Ronald Corbett wrote: It may not be the best place for a debate but I was unaware of your existens until now as I thought Iwas talking to my good friend Richard Higgs I have re read the petition to see if I had made a mistake but I see nothing that relates to religious war. but it has brought you and I closer to gether so do you think that has homosexual conotations.Sooty126 From: paulrbarnard at hotmail.comTo: bristolwireless at lists.psand.netDate: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:31:34 -0800Subject: Re: BW )(: Petition - open source in schoolsEveryone is free to sign or not as they see fit. This is not really a good place for debating the pros and cons of this issue as this is an open wireless list, not a linux list... FWIW I won't be signing for similar reason to those given by Ale. The petition reeks of religious war rather than the 'best interests' or end users. On Feb 10, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Ronald Corbett wrote: Hi Rich and everyoneI have signed the petition Because I believe that children and elderly peeps are short changed on information there is always some pilock saying they know what children and old people need or want but they never bloody ask them if its open source and free its easy to get and there is always someone on linux who will help them get around the software try finding help for beginners on microsoft there is no tact for a start and I do not think that people should pay thieves to view an encyclopaedia of life with information freely given.we need more bristol wirelesses all over the UK europe Asia Russia Ameriicc Austrailia the World and Twinell back on line!!!sooty126> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:26:31 +0000> From: skoria at gmail.com> To: bristolwireless at lists.psand.net> Subject: Re: BW )(: Petition - open source in schools> > Hi Woodsy,> > I think it's not worth it as it currently reads... It'll only attract > the purist linux-everywhere-hey-actually-it's-gnu crowd, rather than for > example general public teachers, parents or students.> > For example, the first 3 reasons the petition gives are malware, > compatibility and language choice - I think they are plucked from a hat > and it's very easy for a microsoftie to argue reasons against them, and > there are far better reasons to use open source than that(eg: price, > openness, works on older hardware etc).> > Re the BECTA mention, I think there's even an EU recommendation or fancy > doc somewhere (no time to look it up) that pushes people to use open > source in education. So my guess is it'll get a few thousand votes, but > not nearly as many as it needs, but a slightly better-written petition > could get masses of people signing, and by saying that, I'm not > volunteering to write it.. :)> > Hope you're well!> > Ale> > Steve Woods wrote:> > "We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Make the primary> > operating system used in state schools free and open source"> > > > http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschools/> > > > Cheers> > Woodsy> > > > _______________________________________________> > Bristolwireless mailing list> > Bristolwireless at lists.psand.net> > http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless> > > > _______________________________________________> Bristolwireless mailing list> Bristolwireless at lists.psand.net> http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless Beyond Hotmail - see what else you can do with Windows Live Find out more!_______________________________________________Bristolwireless mailing listBristolwireless at lists.psand.nethttp://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more!_______________________________________________Bristolwireless mailing listBristolwireless at lists.psand.nethttp://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless _________________________________________________________________ Love Hotmail?? Check out the new services from Windows Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/132630768/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.psand.net/pipermail/bristolwireless/attachments/20090210/b3312741/attachment.htm From paulrbarnard at hotmail.com Tue Feb 10 21:16:06 2009 From: paulrbarnard at hotmail.com (Paul Barnard) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:16:06 -0800 Subject: BW )(: Petition - open source in schools In-Reply-To: References: <20090210132123.w4hjxw8t2cggco8o@slackmail.co.uk> <49918E97.6040508@gmail.com> <95E40131-A32C-48AE-A449-47C7B15C6C7B@hotmail.com>

Message-ID: <541A720E-E920-4B5C-9762-BDB519ACFB17@hotmail.com> Nor mine ;-) On Feb 10, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Ronald Corbett wrote: > Excelent Reply No I dont think you would facy me nor I you I just > could not see the connection to religious wars. but thank you for > your input!! I dont think my wife would appreciate me researching > social websites trawling for company. Not after 29 years > > From: paulrbarnard at hotmail.com > To: bristolwireless at lists.psand.net > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:14:01 -0800 > Subject: Re: BW )(: Petition - open source in schools > > I have been a member of this list for many years. Always read, very > rarely reply. It's always nice to meet new people and exchange > reasoned views with them. Perhaps you have learned that there are > lots of other people out there listening to your 'private' > conversations. As to our getting closer having homosexual > connotations, I have no idea, do you think I would fancy you? Maybe > you should try a social website if you are looking for some personal > companionship. > > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Ronald Corbett wrote: > > It may not be the best place for a debate but I was unaware of your > existens until now as I thought Iwas talking to my good friend > Richard Higgs I have re read the petition to see if I had made a > mistake but I see nothing that relates to religious war. but it has > brought you and I closer to gether so do you think that has > homosexual conotations. > Sooty126 > > > > > From: paulrbarnard at hotmail.com > To: bristolwireless at lists.psand.net > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:31:34 -0800 > Subject: Re: BW )(: Petition - open source in schools > > Everyone is free to sign or not as they see fit. This is not really > a good place for debating the pros and cons of this issue as this is > an open wireless list, not a linux list... > > FWIW I won't be signing for similar reason to those given by Ale. > The petition reeks of religious war rather than the 'best interests' > or end users. > > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Ronald Corbett wrote: > > Hi Rich and everyone > I have signed the petition Because I believe that children and > elderly peeps are short changed on information there is always some > pilock saying they know what children and old people need or want > but they never bloody ask them if its open source and free its easy > to get and there is always someone on linux who will help them get > around the software try finding help for beginners on microsoft > there is no tact for a start and I do not think that people should > pay thieves to view an encyclopaedia of life with information freely > given. > we need more bristol wirelesses all over the UK europe Asia Russia > Ameriicc Austrailia the World and Twinell back on line!!! > sooty126 > > > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:26:31 +0000 > > From: skoria at gmail.com > > To: bristolwireless at lists.psand.net > > Subject: Re: BW )(: Petition - open source in schools > > > > Hi Woodsy, > > > > I think it's not worth it as it currently reads... It'll only > attract > > the purist linux-everywhere-hey-actually-it's-gnu crowd, rather > than for > > example general public teachers, parents or students. > > > > For example, the first 3 reasons the petition gives are malware, > > compatibility and language choice - I think they are plucked from > a hat > > and it's very easy for a microsoftie to argue reasons against > them, and > > there are far better reasons to use open source than that(eg: price, > > openness, works on older hardware etc). > > > > Re the BECTA mention, I think there's even an EU recommendation or > fancy > > doc somewhere (no time to look it up) that pushes people to use open > > source in education. So my guess is it'll get a few thousand > votes, but > > not nearly as many as it needs, but a slightly better-written > petition > > could get masses of people signing, and by saying that, I'm not > > volunteering to write it.. :) > > > > Hope you're well! > > > > Ale > > > > Steve Woods wrote: > > > "We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Make the > primary > > > operating system used in state schools free and open source" > > > > > > http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschools/ > > > > > > Cheers > > > Woodsy > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Bristolwireless mailing list > > > Bristolwireless at lists.psand.net > > > http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bristolwireless mailing list > > Bristolwireless at lists.psand.net > > http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless > > > Beyond Hotmail - see what else you can do with Windows Live Find out > more!_______________________________________________ > Bristolwireless mailing list > Bristolwireless at lists.psand.net > http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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URL: http://lists.psand.net/pipermail/bristolwireless/attachments/20090210/0c96b908/attachment.htm From stuart.ward at bcs.org Wed Feb 11 09:57:26 2009 From: stuart.ward at bcs.org (Stuart Ward) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:57:26 +0000 Subject: BW )(: Petition - open source in schools In-Reply-To: <20090210132123.w4hjxw8t2cggco8o@slackmail.co.uk> References: <20090210132123.w4hjxw8t2cggco8o@slackmail.co.uk> Message-ID: Better is: http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/gcserealcomp/ We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Expand the GCSE curriculum to include a "real" computing skills course. In the current GCSE curriculum, there is a subject known as ICT. In this course, you learn how to use basic applications such as Microsoft Office, and several components of the Adobe Suite. Whilst this is all well and good, this course does not really teach practical COMPUTING skills more than it teaching office skills. I believe this to be very misleading. In its place, I believe that the existing course should be renamed to "GCSE Office and Marketing" and a new course created, where practical computing skills, such a programming in several languages, computer assembly and repair skills etc. are taught. This course should also be available at the GCE (A-Level) tier of education. Their are many areas where this knowledge could be practically applied, even if it were not followed as a final career path. For example, the expansion and further development of the BitTorrent Protocol and Linux and to build Web Browser Plugins. Whilst I have only named a few, there are many possible applications for these skills, such as Programming for a wide variety of items, such as Operating Systems and Computer Games programming. -- Stuart Ward M +44 7782325143 2009/2/10 Steve Woods > > "We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Make the primary > operating system used in state schools free and open source" > > http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschools/ > > Cheers > Woodsy > > _______________________________________________ > Bristolwireless mailing list > Bristolwireless at lists.psand.net > http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.psand.net/pipermail/bristolwireless/attachments/20090211/9c17acaf/attachment.htm From lug at assursys.co.uk Wed Feb 11 11:02:17 2009 From: lug at assursys.co.uk (Alex Butcher) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:02:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: BW )(: Petition - open source in schools In-Reply-To: References: <20090210132123.w4hjxw8t2cggco8o@slackmail.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Stuart Ward wrote: > Better is: > > http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/gcserealcomp/ > > We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Expand the GCSE curriculum > to include a "real" computing skills course. >From looking at the course specifications, this appears to already exist and seems to be known as 'ICT A' these days (see , page 14 onwards). The 'ICT B' syllabus doesn't include a coursework project and appears to be a more vocational qualification. That said, even B's syllabus iuncludes "computer control languages and programming languages at an introductory level, including familiarity with Logo, BASIC, HTML and macros" whereas Programming is an optional unit (11) in ICT B. My theory is that it could well be that individual schools are choosing the "softer" units of perfectly reasonable GCSE syllabuses in order to attract more students and ensure a higher rate of good passes in order to boost their performance in league tables. To be honest, though, how many pupils would take a more 'Computer Science'/'Computer Systems Engineering' course if it were offered? In my school, only three out of a year group of about 150 chose to do GCSE Computer Studies. Luckily, the teacher let us pick the syllabus, so we picked the one that was 'less soft' and had a clearly defined knowledge goal we could work towards. Best Regards, Alex From andys at bristolwireless.net Thu Feb 19 11:38:53 2009 From: andys at bristolwireless.net (Andy S) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:38:53 +0000 Subject: BW )(: Mobile call unmasking service Message-ID: <80d25c2b0902190338k79344d83n365bf7a59a703f56@mail.gmail.com> It isn't available in the UK yet (AFAIK), but is an interesting service - check the signup page for breakdown of what is available, includes caller billing name and address! https://www.trapcall.com/ Could this be done in the UK? Would it be legal? Aren't they just spying on us? A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.psand.net/pipermail/bristolwireless/attachments/20090219/e71418ea/attachment.htm From hick.w.bristol at gink.org Thu Feb 19 21:41:28 2009 From: hick.w.bristol at gink.org (gARetH baBB) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:41:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: BW )(: Mobile call unmasking service In-Reply-To: <80d25c2b0902190338k79344d83n365bf7a59a703f56@mail.gmail.com> References: <80d25c2b0902190338k79344d83n365bf7a59a703f56@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Andy S wrote: > https://www.trapcall.com/ > > Could this be done in the UK? Not legally. > Would it be legal? No. We have no concept of "ANI" (essentially CLI) being released to "800 numbers". Providers with a telecoms licence can get alsorts of information which is not available to others, but that same licence and the DPA are strict legal barriers to that information being used or released outside of the licenced entities for licenced purposes. "ANI" being provided to "800" numbers in NA does not neccessitate the "800" owner being a licenced provider. I can think of an instance - infact two - where it was possible for this to be circumvented in the UK, but they were old time legacy quirks from years ago which have long gone.