From domelias at fastmail.fm Sat Sep 1 06:07:02 2007 From: domelias at fastmail.fm (Dom) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Equipment for sale!! Message-ID: <1188652022.22692.1208395605@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi All, I'm done with this waste of time, get my live back, check if some of my mates still live in the area and stuff this whole wireless b***** coz it ain't working for me, baby! Anyway: In order to pay the rigger which was on my roof three times I'm hoping to sell: - Linksys WRT54GS Wireless-G Broadband Router with SpeedBooster ready to go with openWrt, as recommended by BW (And trust me, it wasn't easy to get it there!!) - Yagi 12dBi Antenna with pig tail and mounting bracket - Feeder-lead from Antenna to WRT - Ethernet cable The system itself does work, but unfortunately on my roof NO SIGNAL FROM ANY BW NODES can be received. So If you're NOT living in my street, you might be in for a bargain, as I'll sell all this for a mere ?60.00 (Trust me it cost me at least double including postage, phone calls etc... If you're interested, please reply to me with a phone number so we can arrange something. Many thanks! Done-with-BW-Dom --------------------------- Dom domelias@fastmail.fm For Tunes, News and my Network, have a look/listen on http://www.myspace.com/domelias -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and love email again _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From seankenny at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 11:57:16 2007 From: seankenny at gmail.com (sean) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Fwd: [plugincinema] 'The Cult of The Amateur' Debate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From seankenny at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 02:48:34 2007 From: seankenny at gmail.com (sean) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: It Volunteering awards Message-ID: http://www.bcs.org/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.14016 _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From woodsy at bristolwireless.net Mon Sep 10 03:51:26 2007 From: woodsy at bristolwireless.net (Steve Woods) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Bristol Wireless group established on Flickr Message-ID: <1189421486.46e521ae2bdd6@www.slackmail.co.uk> Hi all Yesterday I set up a Bristol Wireless group on the Flickr photo sharing site. If you have any pictures you would like to add to the pool, please join the group by visiting http://www.flickr.com/groups/bristolwireless and signing up, after which you'll be able to add your pics to the group pool. Cheers Woodsy ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent via Slackmail, web mail from Psand.net. _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From ben at bristolwireless.net Mon Sep 10 09:28:46 2007 From: ben at bristolwireless.net (Ben Green) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Equipment for sale!! In-Reply-To: <1188652022.22692.1208395605@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1188652022.22692.1208395605@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:07:02 +0100, Dom wrote: > Hi All, > > > I'm done with this waste of time, get my live back, check if some of my > mates still live in the area and stuff this whole wireless b***** coz it > ain't working for me, baby! > I just visited Dom house to collect the kit and then returned it as it didn't work. Here's the story. I noted that the wrt54gs he had was a Ver.6. Dom said he had OpenWRT installed, but that it was hard. When I got the kit home, I plugged it in an had a go. The firmware was not OpenWRT at all, but DD-WRT. This is another Linux based firmware that Bristol Wireless does not recommend. It is not compatible with OpenWRT as may be seen here: http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Hardware/Linksys/WRT54GS Our recommended device is currently the WRT54GL specifically designed to run Linux, as we reported on a while ago (though I can't seem to find that piece on the news page, anybody?). These recommendations are on this page: http://www.bristolwireless.net/wiki/index.php/RequiredHardware Which clearly says WRT54GL all over it, and points to a very reasonably priced supplier of them. After point out that the hardware didn't really work I visited Dom to return it and he said. "I really am so pissed off with all this I am going to just throw this in the wheely bin or something, do you want it for you organisation as a donation or something." before shutting the door. Well, Dom, I don't like the bad feeling you have amased and am sorry you didn't buy the recommended hardware. We are very greatful for the donation. Perhaps something more equitable can be sorted out. Please NOTE: the WRT54GS do not work with OpenWRT past version 4.0. Buy a WRT54GL. If anyone finds any links on our website to the GS, please notify us or ammend the data yourself. Leave a change note so we know it's happened. I don't have the admin password to the dd-wrt box Dom gave, so it's kind of a brick. I will bring it to the lab for revival. Apologies to Dom. I have my ?60 back and a donation to pass on. -- From Ben Green _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From ben at bristolwireless.net Mon Sep 10 09:42:27 2007 From: ben at bristolwireless.net (Ben Green) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Equipment for sale!! In-Reply-To: References: <1188652022.22692.1208395605@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:28:46 +0100, Ben Green wrote: > Our recommended device is currently the WRT54GL specifically designed to run Linux, as we reported on a while ago (though I can't seem to find that piece on the news page, anybody?). These recommendations are on this page: > Woodsy has passed on the address of the article where we talked about the new GL. http://www.bristolwireless.net/news/?p=201 -- From Ben Green _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From mark.chitty at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 02:54:39 2007 From: mark.chitty at gmail.com (Mark Chitty) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Good beer and free WiFi in Easton? Message-ID: <688267870709120254j39cda79bi16efcf013d4eb214@mail.gmail.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From bails at westcomuk.com Fri Sep 14 01:29:49 2007 From: bails at westcomuk.com (bails) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Good beer and free WiFi in Easton? In-Reply-To: <688267870709120254j39cda79bi16efcf013d4eb214@mail.gmail.com> References: <688267870709120254j39cda79bi16efcf013d4eb214@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EA467D.40201@westcomuk.com> Theres an open node on ECC (Easton "Community? Centre?" point a wifi device at it and find out (ine of sight is recommended). Bails Mark Chitty wrote: > Does anyone know of such an establishment? > > I live up the road from the Chelsea which has a machine connected to a BW > node but I didn't know if it shared it or not. > > cheers, > > mark > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Bristolwireless mailing list > Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net > http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From petef at bristolwireless.net Tue Sep 18 07:15:35 2007 From: petef at bristolwireless.net (Peter Ferne) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: psychogeographical walk this evening Message-ID: <71B7C8FD-B94E-4468-8A95-100D2DA91E63@bristolwireless.net> I was planning to go along to this but can't now. I'd be interested to hear back after the event if anybody goes... http://myskitch.com/peteferne/ psychogeographical_walk-20070918-151104.jpg _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From sam at bristolwireless.net Wed Sep 19 05:12:47 2007 From: sam at bristolwireless.net (sam@bristolwireless.net) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: OT 24 Hour Performance Film Thing In Eastville Park Message-ID: <1190203967.46f1123f94d8c@www.slackmail.co.uk> 24 Hour Performance Film Thing In Eastville Park Come Play! Time and Place Start Time: Saturday, September 22, 2007 at 6:00am End Time: Sunday, September 23, 2007 at 6:00am Location: Eastville Park, the M32 end of the park, near children's playground Street: EASTVILLE PARK, BRISTOL, UK City/Town: Bristol Contact Info Phone: 01179514336 07974820227 Email: govinda@ghostfeather.com savagepixies@hotmail.com Description Over the course of 24 hours (dawn of the 22nd to dawn of the 23rd), all sorts of weird and wonderful stuff will be happening in Eastville Park, and hopefully YOU will be doing some of it! We are filming a timelapse 16mm record of 24 hours of performance. The 10-minute reel of film will be split evenly over the 24 hours. Each hour will be roughly 20 seconds on screen. We will be documenting the process on video too. If you just fancy watching, turn up on the day. If you want to be part of the fun, call Govinda or Naomi as soon as possible: we need all the performers, film-makers, stewards and helping hands we can get :) Schedule as it stands today: 06:00 ? 07:00 - TAICHI DEMONSTRATION 07:00 ? 08:00 - SUN SALUTATIONS (JOIN IN) 08:00 ? 09:00 - TAICHI PRACTICE (JOIN IN) 09:00 ? 10:00 - ASH'S HAT 10:00 ? 11:00 - PADDY DOHERTY PERFORMANCE 11:00 ? 12:00 - WALKING MEDITATION (JOIN IN) 12:00 ? 13:00 - 13:00 ? 14:00 - 14:00 ? 15:00 - MUSIC JAM SESSION w/ ALE FERNANDEZ (JOIN IN) 15:00 ? 16:00 - TIAGO GAMBOGI DANCE IMPROV PERFORMANCE 16:00 ? 17:00 - HATHA YOGA (JOIN IN) 17:00 ? 18:00 - 18:00 ? 19:00 - 19:00 ? 20:00 - DAIMOKU (JOIN IN) 20:00 ? 21:00 - WEDDING PERFORMANCE 21:00 ? 22:00 - BEDTIME PERFORMANCE 22:00 ? 23:00 - UMBRELLA PERFORMANCE 23:00 ? 00:00 - FIRE SHOW (SY TAFFEL) 00:00 ? 01:00 - FIRE POI (NAOMI SMYTH) 01:00 ? 02:00 - 02:00 ? 03:00 - POSSIBLE: JULIUS ABRAHAM PERFORMANCE 03:00 ? 04:00 - LASER BUDDHA 04:00 ? 05:00 - 05:00 ? 06:00 - 06:00 ? 07:15 - CLEAN UP (JOIN IN!) ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent via Slackmail, web mail from Psand.net. _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From seankenny at gmail.com Mon Sep 24 00:58:28 2007 From: seankenny at gmail.com (sean) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Fwd: [ukriders] iT4C IT Volunteer Awards - nominations closing soon In-Reply-To: <7283F4A25EF7E049AE038941962E1AEF8B01B9@wcitxch02> References: <7283F4A25EF7E049AE038941962E1AEF8B01B9@wcitxch02> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Anne Stafford Date: 21 Sep 2007 15:18 Subject: [ukriders] iT4C IT Volunteer Awards - nominations closing soon To: ukriders@lists.lasa.org.uk Dear All, Please pass to anyone who might be interested ? Don't miss your chance to enter the 2007 national IT volunteering awards and win ?250. Nominations close on October 6th. http://www.it4communities.org.uk/it4c/home/Awards2007/awards.jsp Do you have an IT project that has been developed with the help of IT volunteers that deserves a reward or does a volunteer provide your IT support and deserve an award as recognition? To apply fill in a short form for your chosen category (you can use the same project/volunteer and nominate in all relevant categories). This year we have 4 award categories, each offering the opportunity to win ?250 for your organisation, a trophy for the volunteer and publicity on our website and in national press. The categories are: 1) Innovation - if you and your volunteer have found an innovative approach to using technology. It might be using your website or text messages or just working better with your remote workers. If it is new and improved your way of working then we would consider that innovative! See last year's winners at: http://www.it4communities.org.uk/it4c/home/AwardsC/innovation.jsp 2) Impact - if you and your volunteer have found a way to use computers or the Internet to improve the way you work that has had a positive impact on your organisation or your clients then you might consider entering this category. See last year's winners at: http://www.it4communities.org.uk/it4c/home/AwardsC/impact.jsp 3) Accessibility - if you have worked with an IT volunteer to make your service more accessible to all. May be you and a volunteer have re-designed your website so that it is DDA compliant or if a volunteer has helped you set up your computers to be more accessible then this could be an appropriate category for you. Last year's winners: http://www.it4communities.org.uk/it4c/home/AwardsC/accessbility.jsp 4) Best IT Volunteer - an opportunity for you to thank your IT volunteer for all their hard work! Please feel free to submit your project in one or all categories. How to Apply: All the forms are available to complete online and if you would like to ask questions or have the forms sent as paper documents or Word documents please give us a call and ask! http://www.it4communities.org.uk/it4c/home/Awards2007/awards.jsp Even if you do not have a volunteer project to submit this year you may wish to attend the Awards evening, it is free and there will be a chance to talk to volunteers and other organisations using technology creatively. Please book to attend: http://www.it4communities.org.uk/it4c/home/Awards2007/bookingform.jsp Nigel Davies iT4Communities Administrator Tel: 020 7796 2144 email: info@it4communities.org.uk www.it4communities.org.uk "Introducing IT professionals wanting to volunteer their skills to charities needing IT help" iT4Communities, 45 Beech Street, London, EC2Y 8AD iT4Communities Annual IT Volunteer Awards: Nominations are now open! www.it4communities.org.uk/it4c/home/Awards2007/awards.jsp iT4Communities is a member of The ICT Hub www.icthub.org.uk iT4Communities is a programme of the Company of Information Technologists Charitable Trust www.wcit.org.uk _________________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: ukriders@lists.lasa.org.uk To be removed from the list, send any message to: ukriders-unsubscribe@lists.lasa.org.uk For all list information, etiquette and functions, including changing your subscription mode and options, visit the Web page: http://lists.lasa.org.uk/lists/info/ukriders --------------------------------------------------------- This list is hosted at NPOGroups.org, a service of Electric Embers: Internet hosting services for the community http://electricembers.net _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From andys at bristolwireless.net Mon Sep 24 06:30:40 2007 From: andys at bristolwireless.net (Andy S) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Institute advises EU to forbid windows pre-instaled on PC's Message-ID: <80d25c2b0709240630t74003955n28a4f063e635ddb4@mail.gmail.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From andy at mentalist.co.uk Mon Sep 24 06:38:37 2007 From: andy at mentalist.co.uk (Andy Gale) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Institute advises EU to forbid windows pre-instaled on PC's In-Reply-To: <80d25c2b0709240630t74003955n28a4f063e635ddb4@mail.gmail.com> References: <80d25c2b0709240630t74003955n28a4f063e635ddb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/24/07, Andy S wrote: > >From http://www.globalisation.eu/ - Un-bundling M$ Windows - .pdf doc > linked.. > > I'm with that! I'm not. It'll just means everyone will have to pay more for Windows when they buy PCs and will have to deal with the installation and driver pain that we are currently saved because it's all pre-installed and tested for us. Shall we stop Apple bundling Mac OS X when we're at it? -- Andy Gale Print this email out and keep it somewhere safe. Your great grandchildren will thank you one day. _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From woodsy at bristolwireless.net Mon Sep 24 06:53:42 2007 From: woodsy at bristolwireless.net (Steve Woods) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Institute advises EU to forbid windows pre-instaled on PC's In-Reply-To: References: <80d25c2b0709240630t74003955n28a4f063e635ddb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190642022.46f7c16679fda@www.slackmail.co.uk> Quoting Andy Gale : > On 9/24/07, Andy S wrote: > > > >From http://www.globalisation.eu/ - Un-bundling M$ Windows - .pdf doc > > linked.. > > > > I'm with that! > > I'm not. It'll just means everyone will have to pay more for Windows > when they buy PCs and will have to deal with the installation and > driver pain that we are currently saved because it's all pre-installed > and tested for us. Shall we stop Apple bundling Mac OS X when we're at > it? > It means useless box shifters like PC World will actually have to employ some people who actually know what they're doing for a change. If it means no payment of the Windows tax, I'm all for it, particularly if it means that the price differential between the consumer and OEM versions of Redmond's shoddy offerings is reduced: at present the OEM version is virtually given away for nothing. Woodsy ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent via Slackmail, web mail from Psand.net. _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From andy at mentalist.co.uk Mon Sep 24 06:57:01 2007 From: andy at mentalist.co.uk (Andy Gale) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Institute advises EU to forbid windows pre-instaled on PC's In-Reply-To: <1190642022.46f7c16679fda@www.slackmail.co.uk> References: <80d25c2b0709240630t74003955n28a4f063e635ddb4@mail.gmail.com> <1190642022.46f7c16679fda@www.slackmail.co.uk> Message-ID: On 9/24/07, Steve Woods wrote: > If it means no payment of the Windows tax, I'm all for it, particularly if it > means that the price differential between the consumer and OEM versions of > Redmond's shoddy offerings is reduced: at present the OEM version is virtually > given away for nothing. What has lead you to believe that they'd make the non-OEM versions cheaper? I don't seen any reason why they would. They have to provide support for the non-OEM versions. -- Andy Gale Print this email out and keep it somewhere safe. Your great grandchildren will thank you one day. _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From woodsy at bristolwireless.net Mon Sep 24 07:11:53 2007 From: woodsy at bristolwireless.net (Steve Woods) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Institute advises EU to forbid windows pre-instaled on PC's In-Reply-To: References: <80d25c2b0709240630t74003955n28a4f063e635ddb4@mail.gmail.com> <1190642022.46f7c16679fda@www.slackmail.co.uk> Message-ID: <1190643113.46f7c5a9b9776@www.slackmail.co.uk> Quoting Andy Gale : > On 9/24/07, Steve Woods wrote: > > > If it means no payment of the Windows tax, I'm all for it, particularly if > it > > means that the price differential between the consumer and OEM versions of > > Redmond's shoddy offerings is reduced: at present the OEM version is > virtually > > given away for nothing. > > What has lead you to believe that they'd make the non-OEM versions > cheaper? I don't seen any reason why they would. They have to provide > support for the non-OEM versions. > You're obviously completely unaware of the price differential: OEM Windows Vista Home ?17 (as refunded by Dell to Bristol Wireless), Windows Vista Home retail version ?180 (today's price PC World). I think the Office of Fair Trading might just be interested in such sharp business practice... Woodsy ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent via Slackmail, web mail from Psand.net. _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From andy at mentalist.co.uk Mon Sep 24 07:34:51 2007 From: andy at mentalist.co.uk (Andy Gale) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Institute advises EU to forbid windows pre-instaled on PC's In-Reply-To: <1190643113.46f7c5a9b9776@www.slackmail.co.uk> References: <80d25c2b0709240630t74003955n28a4f063e635ddb4@mail.gmail.com> <1190642022.46f7c16679fda@www.slackmail.co.uk> <1190643113.46f7c5a9b9776@www.slackmail.co.uk> Message-ID: On 9/24/07, Steve Woods wrote: > You're obviously completely unaware of the price differential: OEM Windows Vista > Home ?17 (as refunded by Dell to Bristol Wireless), Windows Vista Home retail > version ?180 (today's price PC World). > > I think the Office of Fair Trading might just be interested in such sharp > business practice... I understand why you feel strongly about this and I agree something should be done about Microsoft's domination. If there is a plausible alternative. I'm not "completely unaware" of the price differential. Support + packing + discs + shipping + retail costs + retail markup is greatly different from bulk selling a bucket load of OEM license key and stickers to Dell. It's fair to think that they could justify an amount of the cost difference in most of the things I've listed above. At the end of the day, the large majority of people who buy computers are going to want Windows on there when they buy it and if it's not there, whether it's ?17 or ?180 more, it's still a huge pain in the ass. I think the manufacturers of PCs should be forced to give the option of Windows or something else pre-installed. Not including an operating system when the computer is purchased in not the solution. In my opinion it's like selling a car without an engine. Just to spite Microsoft, at the cost of every consumer in Europe. It's not worth it. -- Andy Gale Print this email out and keep it somewhere safe. Your great grandchildren will thank you one day. _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From andys at bristolwireless.net Mon Sep 24 08:50:49 2007 From: andys at bristolwireless.net (Andy S) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Institute advises EU to forbid windows pre-instaled on PC's In-Reply-To: References: <80d25c2b0709240630t74003955n28a4f063e635ddb4@mail.gmail.com> <1190642022.46f7c16679fda@www.slackmail.co.uk> <1190643113.46f7c5a9b9776@www.slackmail.co.uk> Message-ID: <80d25c2b0709240850q50fb5814se259fad349304372@mail.gmail.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From ben at bristolwireless.net Mon Sep 24 09:14:54 2007 From: ben at bristolwireless.net (Ben Green) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Institute advises EU to forbid windows pre-instaled on PC's In-Reply-To: <80d25c2b0709240850q50fb5814se259fad349304372@mail.gmail.com> References: <80d25c2b0709240630t74003955n28a4f063e635ddb4@mail.gmail.com> <1190642022.46f7c16679fda@www.slackmail.co.uk> <1190643113.46f7c5a9b9776@www.slackmail.co.uk> <80d25c2b0709240850q50fb5814se259fad349304372@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:50:49 +0100, Andy S wrote: > Perhaps more like 'selling a car without it's dubiously qualified chauffeur'! Nothing wrong with the car (read pc), but the control system (read driver) could certainly be better! Indeed, a dubiously qualified chauffeur that you have to pay for or jump through lots of hoops to get a refund on, who then refuses to let anyone share the driving with him, unless you go through some arcane technical procedure, or chuck him out forcibly. No wonder that sort of thing is against so many trade laws. Oh, yeah, and some of the parts of the car you can't really make work with another more reasonable chauffeur because the manufacturers won't let him know how they work. -- From Ben Green _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From stuart.ward at bcs.org Mon Sep 24 14:57:28 2007 From: stuart.ward at bcs.org (Stuart Ward) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Institute advises EU to forbid windows pre-instaled on PC's In-Reply-To: <80d25c2b0709240630t74003955n28a4f063e635ddb4@mail.gmail.com> References: <80d25c2b0709240630t74003955n28a4f063e635ddb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F832C8.8030109@bcs.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Even if all it did was force PC vendors to allow customers to Choose not to have windows that would be a big step. Which operating system would you like installed on your computer? Microsoft Vista ????? Microsoft XP ???? Ubuntu ?0.00 SLED ?0.00 Fedora ?0.00 I wouldn't mind them putting a "Recommendation" on there site in that case, as there would be a choice. I bet there would be droves of people who don't choose M$ if that was the case. Stuart Andy S said the following on 24/09/07 14:30: >>From http://www.globalisation.eu/ - Un-bundling M$ Windows - .pdf doc > linked.. > > I'm with that! > > A > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Bristolwireless mailing list > Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net > http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG+DLIJGaHnCySEGwRAtxfAJ0QR+pHhLgLx577oTyxXCdxj4v/AwCcCE1G QtUQLEAEdLhDruTSt8J6ErI= =uRhY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From andy at mentalist.co.uk Tue Sep 25 01:20:25 2007 From: andy at mentalist.co.uk (Andy Gale) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Institute advises EU to forbid windows pre-instaled on PC's In-Reply-To: <46F832C8.8030109@bcs.org> References: <80d25c2b0709240630t74003955n28a4f063e635ddb4@mail.gmail.com> <46F832C8.8030109@bcs.org> Message-ID: On 9/24/07, Stuart Ward wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Even if all it did was force PC vendors to allow customers to Choose not > to have windows that would be a big step. > > Which operating system would you like installed on your computer? > Microsoft Vista ????? > Microsoft XP ???? > Ubuntu ?0.00 > SLED ?0.00 > Fedora ?0.00 > > I wouldn't mind them putting a "Recommendation" on there site in that > case, as there would be a choice. I bet there would be droves of people > who don't choose M$ if that was the case. It's not that simple though is it? As a lot of stuff doesn't have reliable enough drivers on Linux for the vendor to certify that it'll work properly? It needs to start somewhere, though doesn't it? Are the Dell machines specifically for Linux? -- Andy Gale Print this email out and keep it somewhere safe. Your great grandchildren will thank you one day. _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From ben at bristolwireless.net Tue Sep 25 01:28:30 2007 From: ben at bristolwireless.net (Ben Green) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Institute advises EU to forbid windows pre-instaled on PC's In-Reply-To: References: <80d25c2b0709240630t74003955n28a4f063e635ddb4@mail.gmail.com> <46F832C8.8030109@bcs.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:20:25 +0100, Andy Gale wrote: > It's not that simple though is it? As a lot of stuff doesn't have > reliable enough drivers on Linux for the vendor to certify that it'll > work properly? It needs to start somewhere, though doesn't it? Are the > Dell machines specifically for Linux? You can get Dell machines that are specifically for Linux now, if that's what you mean. -- From Ben Green _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From andy at mentalist.co.uk Tue Sep 25 01:52:46 2007 From: andy at mentalist.co.uk (Andy Gale) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Institute advises EU to forbid windows pre-instaled on PC's In-Reply-To: References: <80d25c2b0709240630t74003955n28a4f063e635ddb4@mail.gmail.com> <46F832C8.8030109@bcs.org> Message-ID: On 9/25/07, Ben Green wrote: > You can get Dell machines that are specifically for Linux now, if that's what you mean. I'm asking if they Dell machines that run Linux are only for Linux. -- Andy Gale Print this email out and keep it somewhere safe. Your great grandchildren will thank you one day. _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From woodsy at bristolwireless.net Tue Sep 25 02:57:06 2007 From: woodsy at bristolwireless.net (Steve Woods) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Institute advises EU to forbid windows pre-instaled on PC's In-Reply-To: References: <80d25c2b0709240630t74003955n28a4f063e635ddb4@mail.gmail.com> <46F832C8.8030109@bcs.org> Message-ID: <1190714226.46f8db7264046@www.slackmail.co.uk> Quoting Andy Gale : > On 9/24/07, Stuart Ward wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Even if all it did was force PC vendors to allow customers to Choose not > > to have windows that would be a big step. > > > > Which operating system would you like installed on your computer? > > Microsoft Vista ????? > > Microsoft XP ???? > > Ubuntu ?0.00 > > SLED ?0.00 > > Fedora ?0.00 > > > > I wouldn't mind them putting a "Recommendation" on there site in that > > case, as there would be a choice. I bet there would be droves of people > > who don't choose M$ if that was the case. > > It's not that simple though is it? As a lot of stuff doesn't have > reliable enough drivers on Linux for the vendor to certify that it'll > work properly? It needs to start somewhere, though doesn't it? Are the > Dell machines specifically for Linux? > What's a Linux driver? The last time I needed one of those was for a winmodem years ago. 99.99% of kit just works straight away without any faffing around, unlike another allegedly popular OS. Woodsy ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent via Slackmail, web mail from Psand.net. _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From ben at bristolwireless.net Tue Sep 25 03:14:27 2007 From: ben at bristolwireless.net (Ben Green) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Institute advises EU to forbid windows pre-instaled on PC's In-Reply-To: References: <80d25c2b0709240630t74003955n28a4f063e635ddb4@mail.gmail.com> <46F832C8.8030109@bcs.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:52:46 +0100, Andy Gale wrote: >> You can get Dell machines that are specifically for Linux now, if that's what you mean. >I'm asking if they Dell machines that run Linux are only for Linux. No, Linux is an option for a very limited amount of their product range, all of which runs windows. There are very few bits of hardware that are only for Linux in the x86 world. -- From Ben Green _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From andyswebmail at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 03:28:57 2007 From: andyswebmail at gmail.com (Andy) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Institute advises EU to forbid windows pre-instaled on PC's In-Reply-To: References: <80d25c2b0709240630t74003955n28a4f063e635ddb4@mail.gmail.com> <46F832C8.8030109@bcs.org> Message-ID: <80d25c2b0709250328u25ed7151u2a98fca36f3175a0@mail.gmail.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Tue Sep 25 03:58:30 2007 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Institute advises EU to forbid windows pre-instaled on PC's In-Reply-To: <1190714226.46f8db7264046@www.slackmail.co.uk> References: <80d25c2b0709240630t74003955n28a4f063e635ddb4@mail.gmail.com> <1190714226.46f8db7264046@www.slackmail.co.uk> Message-ID: <200709251158.38131.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From woodsy at bristolwireless.net Tue Sep 25 06:08:20 2007 From: woodsy at bristolwireless.net (Steve Woods) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Institute advises EU to forbid windows pre-instaled on PC's In-Reply-To: <200709251158.38131.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> References: <80d25c2b0709240630t74003955n28a4f063e635ddb4@mail.gmail.com> <1190714226.46f8db7264046@www.slackmail.co.uk> <200709251158.38131.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1190725700.46f908441ac87@www.slackmail.co.uk> Quoting Matthew Toseland : > > It Just Works if your hardware is old(ish) and/or server-centric. My newest stuff is all at least 3 years old; the older stuff harks back to the days of steam ;-) > > On the other hand if you have a modern 3d card you need proprietary drivers > (which means you can't report kernel oopses when you get them...), and if you > need e.g. a webcam, you're in real trouble (no USB ISO transfers on USB2 so > unless the cam is actually a USB2 device you have to turn off USB2 and use > one device per root hub, and most webcams not supported)... Even a relatively > new motherboard is often a problem. My built-in sound still doesn't work, > long after I bought the board (asus, there is a driver, it doesn't produce > any sound). Oh, and there's the SMBFS-is-slow-on-most-network-drivers problem > (if you have local Windows users). > > But it's improving ... and if the hardware is supported, it probably does > work out of the box. Thanks for your info on awkward hardware, Matt. As regards 3D graphics cards, Slashdot recently reported: "AMD has announced they are releasing the specs for all new Radeon chipsets, and will be working with the open source community to develop a fully functional 2D and 3D graphics driver." (Source: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/06/1335230) Cheers Woodsy ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent via Slackmail, web mail from Psand.net. _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Tue Sep 25 06:57:00 2007 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Institute advises EU to forbid windows pre-instaled on PC's In-Reply-To: <1190725700.46f908441ac87@www.slackmail.co.uk> References: <80d25c2b0709240630t74003955n28a4f063e635ddb4@mail.gmail.com> <200709251158.38131.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> <1190725700.46f908441ac87@www.slackmail.co.uk> Message-ID: <200709251457.06803.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless From needle at haystack.co.uk Fri Sep 28 09:21:53 2007 From: needle at haystack.co.uk (Christian Wach) Date: Wed Aug 27 22:18:10 2008 Subject: BW )(: Interesting project Message-ID: <478F6A91-4E38-469B-8C58-E77EDF773D55@haystack.co.uk> Just a heads up about: http://www.wilugghana.org/ We're hoping to visit the project on our way to South Africa in 2010: http://www.spiritoffootball.com/ Researching the trip has really opened my eyes as to how much FOSS stuff is going on in Africa... more than I could have imagined. Christian _______________________________________________ Bristolwireless mailing list Bristolwireless@lists.psand.net http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bristolwireless